I teach a public speaking class at a local community college (which, for the sake of simplicity, I refer to as Tiny Community College, or TCC). As part of their final exams, my students are required to research, compose, and deliver a persuasive speech.
Ten students have delivered their speeches so far - I have twenty kids and four days to get through their presentations; I may be math-impaired, but I could handle those numbers - and two of them, both women and both medical assisting students, chose to speak on topics relating to child abuse.
On Tuesday, one woman gave her speech on the fight between medical science and Christian Science, and how she feels that, regardless of one’s religious faith, one should be required by law to seek medical treatment for one’s children until such time as those children can make medical decisions for themselves. The other woman, who spoke yesterday, did a wonderful job convincing me that parents who allow (and, in some cases, encourage) their children to become morbidly obese should be brought up on charges.
The things that got me thinking about this post, though, were the things we discussed as a class after yesterday’s five students finished delivering their talks. One student - whose speech was less than compelling, but which inspired a lot of debate - spoke about how she’s opposed to lowering the drinking age to 18, and another spoke out against the effort to legalize marijuana. These topics led to a discussion about why we in the U.S. have such a complicated relationship with things like sex and alcohol and other substances, and the students postulated that it’s because we have set them up as “forbidden fruit.”
This led to a discussion about how we raise our children to think of these things as taboo. We don’t talk about alcohol or drugs or sex with our children as a rule (I’m getting to more on that in a minute, so stay with me) and, more often than not, we expect someone else to teach lessons about those things to our kids; I’m thinking about sex ed. classes and D.A.R.E. programs in school, to be precise.
I mentioned, not too long ago, that Punkin’ Pie came home after her “growth and human development” movie in school and was more perplexed about the need for such a thing than she was by the movie itself. She already HAS all the information that the movie sought to convey, and most of her questions to me that afternoon were centered around why such a big deal was made about it and why a movie at school was even needed in the first place.
I talk to my girls. When they ask me straight questions, I give them straight answers. They know how babies are made. They understand the essentials of sex. They understand the workings of the menstrual cycle. They know the proper names for all the body parts (this is an elbow, this is a breast, that’s a penis. Whatever. Yawn). While we don’t parade around in the altogether all the time, neither Mr. Chili nor I make an effort to cover up in front of the girls; we’re perfectly comfortable in our skins and are doing all we can to transfer that comfort to them. The girls are just as likely to share a shower with their dad as they are to share one with me, and until THEY decide that they’d rather not, we’re going to keep on doing what we’re doing; it’s working for us.
So, back to class. We started talking about how Americans, as opposed to, say, the French or Germans, are really uptight about alcohol. One student talked about how he hosted an exchange student from Germany during his senior year in high school, and he and a bunch of his friends got together to do some clandestine drinking, but his exchange student buddy wasn’t interested. The German kid’s response was very much “yeah, whatever. Alcohol. Yawn.” Because the exchange kid had grown up with alcohol as part of his environment and was given examples of its responsible use by nearly everyone in his life, he didn’t see it as a temptation - and certainly didn’t see the need to abuse the stuff.
That got me to thinking. We’ve become so tense in our society - so uptight and jumpy and litigious - that we’ve started taking away a lot of parent’s rights to raise their kids the way they see fit; or, maybe more to the point, we’ve been willing to hand over so much control and responsibility to “authorities” that we’ve put our own selves in this position.
While I essentially agree with both of my medical assisting students’ arguments, I also really resent the fact that, at pretty much any moment, the Division of Child and Family Services could come knocking on my door and accuse my husband of sexually abusing our children because they got wind that my daughters showered with him this morning. I could be brought up on charges for letting my ten and eight year olds try a little sip of the wine I had with dinner. Don’t even get me started on what kind of fallout would (will?) befall me when I authorize my teen-aged daughter’s pediatrician to prescribe birth control.
Someone else could look at how we’re choosing to raise our girls, decide that it’s immoral (or illegal), that we’re endangering the children’s welfare, and try to remove them from our custody.
I know it’s not LIKELY, but it COULD happen. And it’s wrong.





[...] Crossover Jump to Comments Some conversations in my public speaking class yesterday led me to do some thinking about how free my husband and I are to raise our children in the manner in which we see fit. I posed my ruminations over at The Blue Door. [...]
Yep. The scary part *is* that as a parent, you have no rights. Whatever your local social services agency is *can* (and does) show up an take kids away for no real reason. IOn the not too distant past, the SS in my state took a 3 year old away from its parents becuase the mom was still breast feeding. In another case, it was discovered that a family had a “family bed” where everyone slept together. Guess what? all of the kids (none older than 5) were taken from those parents.
Remember: The State Knows What is Best for everyone. And if you don’t toe the line, they’ll come nail your toes to it for you.
Yep - we are so willing to hand over rearing to the gov’t in the interest of forcing what we see as right onto other people. It will backfire. I grew up in a household that was very open about alcohol, in that beginning at age 11 or so, if we were at a formal dinner, I had a glass of wine with it. I generally took 2 sips. But I never longed to break into the liquor cabinet to try the stuff.
Personally, I say let ‘em drink at ANY age. Just don’t let ‘em drive until they are 21. Ha ha.
We, as a society, ask too much of government, and, in doing so, surrender too much to government. Funny thing is, a fair number of people rant against “socialism.” Oh, well, expecting consistency from people has always been a route to disappointment.
I have no child-rearing theories. I have no children.
And schools, don’t get me started. Again, too much is asked, and too much surrendered, in my view. I am still (in my closet, of course) not at all sure I even agree with compulsory education by the state.
I can hardly believe how much society changes from generation to generation. And how much more the government is involved with parenting. Obviously there are improvements - I never had a car seat, and though I lived to tell about it, I’m sure others did not. There are so many things that, in my opion, are worse. The obesity argument is a decent one…recently discussed in the news when several congressmen attempted to live off of food stamps. I think the sheer amount of HS dropouts, kids with a criminal record, and a general lack of respect for adults comes DIRECTLY back to the parents. I wish there was an easy answer…. I just don’t understand people having kids (sometimes 2, 3, 4, 5 kids) when they just don’t seem to be interested in being parents. You know?
As with all these discussions, it’s hard to know where to draw the line. The child who dies because the parents only believe in prayer as a cure? That feels obvious. But the parents who let their child sip a little wine at 13 years old, that’s WAY less clear.
It’s all a mess, and i don’t know the answer.
I think we as educators, and presumably of the mainstream dominant culture are not afraid of outside government agencies coming into our home and mandating our rearing of children. Unfortunately people outside the dominant culture tend to be unfairly prosecuted for exercising parental rights.