Nearly Wordless Wednesday

Alternately titled, “2014 Can’t Come Soon Enough.”

Fuckers.

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21 responses to “Nearly Wordless Wednesday

  1. Brandon

    So this bill would have prevented another Newtown, how?

  2. Brandon – who ever said it would have prevented another Newtown? Please, spend some real time and get me an answer to that. Because by your statement you’re claiming that someone said this is a bill that will prevent future occurances of mass murder. That would be an easy argument for you to have, wouldn’t it? Oh, I bet you wish someone would have that argument with you. I bet you salivate over having this imaginary argument against imaginary people who you can destroy intellectually in some imaginary way to make yourself an imaginary internet hero.

    Get that part – imaginary. Because that’s what a strawman is; imaginary.

    In the real world it’s about reducing gun violence of all kinds – not just mass murders. In the real world, universal background checks would certainly, an provably reduce the access to weapons that certain, unstable and/or undeserving people would have. In the real world violence is reduced in small, simple steps as part of a comprehensive strategy which involve criminal laws, access restrictions, mental health system strengthening, education, etc.

    It would be nice to have you join us in the real world rather than in your imaginary world where you get to be the hero of your own Hollywood-speech grand finale.

  3. Brandon

    Hadn’t seen you around these parts lately Rick, I had wondered where you had been. Well, this bill was a part of “doing something” in response to Newtown and when family members are brought in for the vote, it isn’t exactly a subtle implication that the bill was supposed to address what happened – look we’re doing something to make sure tragedies like this never happen again! It was ultimately a part of never letting a crisis go to waste, nothing imaginary about that, or the world that I am living in.

    • You didn’t answer my question. I’m unsurprised. You can’t. answer it. It’s not about vague presumptions on your part.

      It’s about reducing all gun violence. Pure and simple. Background checks contribute positively to that end.

  4. Okay, look – I’m sick unto death of these “it wouldn’t have prevented Newtown / it won’t keep criminals from getting guns” arguments.

    NO one ever said that background checks would have prevented Newtown; they wouldn’t have, and everyone who’s got more than a couple of functioning brain cells understands this. The Newtown guns were bought legally (as far as I’m aware, though they CLEARLY weren’t owned by someone responsible enough to have them – the fact that the owner is dead at the end of her own guns at the hands of her own son is testament to THAT fact). There are other provisions in this package of legislation that might have mitigated the carnage (yes – smaller magazines WOULD have changed the result of that day; we know that for sure), but the point is that no one is saying – or to my knowledge has ever said – that background checks would have prevented Newtown.

    Those families were there as representatives of the THOUSANDS of families who have lost loved ones to gun violence since Newtown. They have taken their grief – the depths of which give me nightmares just to contemplate – and put it toward the goal of bringing SOME sort of sanity to our out-of-control gun culture.

    Universal background checks WILL help, but I’m not getting any traction trying to talk to the proverbial “other side” of this issue about that. The problem with preventing a disaster is that IT NEVER HAPPENS, so those of us who advocate for change can’t point to something that DIDN’T happen and say “SEE?! No one died today because Billy Whackadoodle couldn’t buy a gun online as easily as I can buy a fucking DVD.” The argument that seems so popular right now is “background checks wont’ stop criminals from getting guns because criminals don’t obey the law.” I’ve had about enough of that. If universal background checks keep just ONE lunatic from getting his hands on a gun – if they save just ONE life – then they were worth it. I don’t give a shit about any “law abiding gun owner’s” convenience. Fuck their convenience; our children’s lives are worth more than anyone’s convenience.

    • Brandon

      To flesh out your last paragraph a bit more, and not because I am trying to derail the topic of this particular thread, but in light of what we are learning from the Kermit Gosnell trial about the operating and sanitary conditions at his abortion clinic in Philadelphia, would you support increased oversight/inspection of abortion clinics? It is clear that if these would have been in place, Karnamaya Mongar would not have died. If the regulations save just ONE life, then they would be worth it, right?

      • Okay – stop right there. We’re not TALKING about abortion. We’re talking about background checks for all gun purchases; period.

      • Brandon

        Exactly. I’m not interested in talking about abortion either. I was just curious if your same rationale would apply on an issue where I imagine you resent any interference in what you view as a right, albeit one that isn’t actually specified in the Constitution, unlike the right to keep and bear arms.

      • I have exactly ZERO problem with REASONABLE regulations and standards that apply EQUITABLY to ALL health care facilities, and you know it. What I object to are regulations that are specifically designed (with no apologies by their authors) to shut down abortion clinics.

        Further, I don’t see the parallel. How, exactly, can you compare my having to wait an arbitrary amount of time to have an abortion (which doesn’t affect you in ANY way) to running a background check on someone to make sure that s/he is competent to own a weapon (which has the potential to affect you in deadly ways)?

      • Mrs. Chili, he’s uncomfortable with being prevented from framing the topic in a strawman he can defeat, so he’s changing the subject to something he thinks he can win at. Don’t let him. Keep him on topic. Conservatives hate staying on topic – because their talking points don’t take into account conversations with actual human beings using facts, logic, and experience to reject falsehoods.

      • Brandon

        I wasn’t specifically comparing a waiting period to have an abortion and a waiting period to purchase a gun, but was interested in how the rationale of how saving just ONE life justifies the proposed legislation/regulation. I imagine there are regulations that could be proposed regarding the operation of abortion clinics, using that as a justification, that the pro-choice side would view as an infringement or undue burden on the ability to receive an abortion, but hey, it can save just ONE life, so it’s worth it, right?

      • Brandon

        Wrong again Rick. It isn’t a matter of avoiding a topic. “Gun control” doesn’t do much of anything to actually prevent incidents like Newtown, Aurora, etc., whether it is this recent legislation or the Feinstein “assault” weapons ban. Gun control folks seem completely oblivious to the obvious fact that it is the motivation and intent of the individual with the gun that matters, not gun itself. Someone intent on committing a crime isn’t going to be stopped by a background check, nor is he going to avoid shooting up a school because it has been designated a gun-free zone.

      • Wow Brandon, wrong again. You are great at telling others what you THINK gun control is about. But you aren’t correct. In fact you are so far off base it saddens me. Recheck your information and start speaking from a position of fact rather than belief, you’ll be more convincing and more truthful if you do,

  5. Sean

    hey … i have an idea .. lets require background checks to buy pressure cookers because some crazy might make a bomb out of one … lets require background checks to buy box cutters because some crazy might use one to take over an airplane and ram it into a tall building … oh hell lets just require background checks on EVERYTHING because some deranged idiot MIGHT find some way to use it to hurt people. Stop relying on the fucking government to try to keep you safe because the reality is they fucking can’t. Get over it. I agree with Ben Franklin when he says those who are willing to give up their liberty for security deserve neither liberty nor security. I’m tired of the government interfering with my life tho I’ve done nothing wrong so you can feel safe.

    • Hey I have an idea – let’s let the gun lobby buy our Congress. Hey I have an idea – let’s let corporations control the government for profit and fuck public safety all to hell. Hey I have an idea – let’s make sure you’re never inconvenienced at all, Sean. Let’s let you be protected by police, drive on public roads, use public airwaves, enjoy public infrastructure, avail yourself of public jurisprudence, but never, ever, ever ask you anything in return. Hey I have an idea Sean – fuck off.

      • Sean

        uh if you hadn’t noticed the rich, powerful lobbies and corporations already control the government and disregard public safety all the time .. unless of course there is money to be made … i don’t need the police to protect me .. just prosecute those who cause me harm, as that’s all they can realistically do anyway, roads existed long before government got involved oh and alot of that other “public infrastructure” … never said i don’t want government … i don’t mind paying taxes for some things like police to catch the bad guys after they break the law .. or fire departments and rescue persons …. schools, because an educated populous is beneficial ….. But Liberty is my being able to do as I please as long as it doesn’t infringe on your ability to do as you please and you really have no right to ask the government to infringe on my liberty so you can have a false sense of security… oh and please feel free to tell me to fuck off all you want if it makes you feel better.

      • I will tell you to fuck off all I want because I’m sick and tired of nitwits like you claiming they shouldn’t have any responsibility to support the society they leech off of while claiming to have “made it on their own.” You’re not a self-made man, Sean. If you’d been born in a 3rd world country, you’d be just another oppressed, desperate resident – not a stand-out star. You are who you are because of where you live and the benefits you’ve been given by living here. “Exceptionalism” is a product of environment. Here we are at the lowest taxes in generations – at the lowest corporate taxes in . . . ever. Here we are with a deficit decreasing, yet a job market destroyed by free market policies. And you nitwits celebrate more obstructionism in a Congress held hostage by the very assholes who destroyed the economy and turned justice into punishment for a once-great nation.

        Yes, I’ll tell you to fuck off.

        You people decry Socialism at every turn, but don’t realize that you’ve actually combined the worst of two systems, capitalism and socialism. Example – Last night’s explosion outside of Waco, Texas. It happened at a fertilizer plant that was infrequently inspected by a government left with no resources nor power to protect the public from disasters. The company ignored the citations and fought the penalties against a government without the resources to fight back. And then this happens and who is going to pay for the clean-up, the recovery, the medical, the funerals, the counselors and after-care? Is it the company that caused this disaster? Nope. It’ll be the government. Privatizing the profits, socializing the risks, keeping the wealthy rich without any liability for disasters – physical, economic, environmental – that they cause.

        Socialism. Fuck you Sean and your fucking “made it on my own” bullshit. Fuck you and your twisted definition of Liberty with your lack of responsibility. I hate you leeches for taking without giving. I hate you leeches for sucking my beautiful nation dry while waving my flag and claiming to deserve everything you want. I didn’t serve my country to protect you useless parasites. Fuck you. Fuck all of you.

  6. Okay, Sean; take a breath.

    For starters, I have no idea where this fevered “this is AMERICA and I should be able to do ANYTHING I want” fantasy has its roots, but it needs to but shut down as soon as humanly possible. Yes, this is America and yes, we enjoy more freedoms than pretty much anyone else in the world. That being said, we CAN’T do ANYTHING we want – whether or not it causes another harm – because societies by their very nature require limits on citizens’ behavior. If we agree to be a part of this society, we tacitly agree to abide by those rules and customs that we’ve collectively established (whether or not we LIKE them) because they serve a greater good and we’re not so selfish as to put the collective need above our own desires. This “fuck everyone else; I’m gonna do what I want” attitude is, I think, at the heart of a lot of what’s wrong with us.

    Also, I’m rejecting your implied claim that the government exists solely to infringe on rights. It is because of government involvement that we have a reliable and reasonably equitable social safety net. It is because of government involvement that we have a reasonably safe food supply, roads, and air space. It is because of government involvement that we have widespread home ownership, higher education, and commerce.

    I reiterate, though, that we’re not talking about those things. We’re talking about universal background checks and the failure of the People’s elected “representatives” to faithfully represent the will of their constituents. 90% – NINETY PERCENT! – of the U.S. population wants expanded background checks. If that’s not a fucking mandate to Congress, then I don’t know what is.

    • Sean

      ” I have no idea where this fevered “this is AMERICA and I should be able to do ANYTHING I want” fantasy has its roots”

      Oh just from a person named Thomas Jefferson:

      “A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

      Thomas Jefferson
      -or-

      “Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law,’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.” –Thomas Jefferson to I. Tiffany, 1819.

      You know , one of those fine gentlemen that put life and fortune on the line to give us this wonderful nation that is being driven to ruin by our current political parties and this insistent demand that the government take care of everyone and attempt to protect them from everything.

      And just because a majority of the people think something does not make it correct or just. There are still a majority of people that think marriage should only be between a man and a women. They are, of course, wrong and unjust.

      The underlying purpose of the Bill of Rights is to protect the minority from the majority. And any government, even a duly elected one, can become tyranny.

  7. Sean

    to CV Rick:

    So we’ve resorted to name calling and nonsensical tirades. JOY!

    Wish i could have responded earlier but the DoD network I’m on at work blocks blogs.

    Really, the tirade is hardly worth my time but here goes:

    I never said I didn’t want to support the society I live in. To the contrary I stated the exact opposite. There are things I believe private business could accomplish better and would do so because it would be in there best interest. Many bridges, ferry systems and even roads have been built by private industry because of that fact.

    I never even tried to claim i was a self made man. I understand the benefit I have having the luck of being born here.

    Celebrate obstructionism? LOL I HATE that shit! It just goes to show those idiots have no real concern for us and merely enjoy the game they play and that (collective) we keep voting them back and pay them amazes me.

    Hate to tell you again, but government can’t protect you. Not from any disaster. Companies will ALWAYS play the risk vs. reward game. If it costs less to pay fines and penalties then to put the safety measures in place guess which they will do. All the inspections in the world won’t stop it. And, again, to the contrary BP has paid billions in the after math of its gulf disaster (and still recorded profits). The owners of that plant in Texas, if its found they were in violation of any safety and/or industry standards and regulations, will ultimately be held financially responsible. What really needs to happen, but people will never do, is if working in a unsafe place STOP WORKING THERE. Find something else to do, start there own business, something. I’ve changed careers a few times in my life. Was it easy? Nope. Did I have to work shit jobs during the transition while getting new training, which I couldn’t afford fancy schools so I self trained, Yes. Am I better off now because of it Oh Hell Yes. So yes to some extent I am self made BTW.

    I’m not sucking the country dry, the government is and I’d like to stop it.

    As a final note you can take all that My country, My Flag shit and shove it up your ass you idiot

    Sean
    United States Navy
    USS Ulysses S. Grant SSBN-631

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